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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:19 pm 
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I'm looking for a new pc sometime in the new year, want to get an idea of the price, can anyone recommend a good site online where i can order a pc to my own spec and get it built please.

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Just make sure you get an SLi setup! :P

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thats not at all helpful...i never liked you :(

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haha fucking classic tbh

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Hey Macey,

I got mine from http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ many moons ago.

I had no trouble whatsoever, and found them very competitive, but heard (i think on this forum) about them stitching someone up or something.

Thats said, its a good site to get an idea of spec vs cost. If you click on 'build your own desktop' it lets you config your own setup, and didnt used to force me to get operating sys or keyboards etc.

If you do a forum search for pcspecialist you get 3 matches. Top resulting thread names a few places you might want to look at, and the middle one is the one with Natura having problems (eventually sorted)

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www.mongooseincoventry.co.uk ?

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Just orderd from http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk Great configurators to play around with and get the spec you want.

Looked at pcspecialist too but their lead time is something stupid like 4 weeks and they don't have the variety of cyberpower on the options.


EDIT: put the right url in :D


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Gangster No:1 wrote:
Just orderd from http://www.cyberpower.co.uk Great configurators to play around with and get the spec you want.

Looked at pcspecialist too but their lead time is something stupid like 4 weeks and they don't have the variety of cyberpower on the options.


Tbh.
Well impressed with them, expland why things were different and altered the price to reflect that when it came.
They don't do the annoying put a lable on the case saying void if you open.
(As well mine would be void within a day usually as i always fuck about inside the case. :roll: )

If your going Sli, aparently when thier out the 9's might use less power than the 8's if you go for geforce (which tbh is the only option for dx10 cards imo atm)
And If you going sli and thinking 8800's well yeah get shares in the national grid first as your looking at 750+ psu to be sure.


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Hey Macey,

I got mine from http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ many moons ago.

I had no trouble whatsoever, and found them very competitive, but heard (i think on this forum) about them stitching someone up or something.

Thats said, its a good site to get an idea of spec vs cost. If you click on 'build your own desktop' it lets you config your own setup, and didnt used to force me to get operating sys or keyboards etc.

If you do a forum search for pcspecialist you get 3 matches. Top resulting thread names a few places you might want to look at, and the middle one is the one with Natura having problems (eventually sorted)


http://beta.fun4forums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4484&highlight=pcspecialist
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Just orderd from http://www.cyberpower.co.uk


Link didn't work for me

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http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/cart/ ... 35&ref=add

Those are the 2 builds which I like the look of, think I would prefer the non-sli version as Sli did not go well for me as Kuif so frequently reminds me :(

Any thoughts or suggestions for improvement without spending too much more wonga?

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can't see it, shopping cart is empty


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www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk wrote:
Your shopping cart is empty.


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whatever happened to your sli setup, anyway??


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:17 pm 
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option 1 - normal rig

# BASE_PRICE: [+821]
# CAS: NZXT Lexa Blackline Performance Mid Tower Steel 420W Case [-15]
# CASUPGRADE: NONE
# CS_FAN: Default Case Fan
# CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6750 CPU @ 2.66GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit
# CD: SONY DUAL FORMAT 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
# CD2: NONE
# CABLE: None
# FLOPPY: NONE
# FLASHMEDIA: None
# FREEBIE_CU: FREE! CyberPower Multi-Purpose Carrying Case
# FAN: CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit + 2 EXTRA CASE FANS
# HDD: Single Hard Drive (400GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
# HDD2: NONE
# IEEE_CARD: NONE
# KEYBOARD: NONE [-4]
# MOUSE: NONE [-4]
# MODEM: NONE
# MONITOR: ViewSonic VX2235WM 22" Wide Screen Color TFT LCD Display Wide DVI Monitor [+206]
# MONITOR2: NONE
# MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core Supports) Asus P5K SE Intel P35 Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN,USB2.0,&7.1Audio
# MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (OCZ Value Select or Major Brand)
# NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
# OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium (32-bit Edition)
# PPU: NONE
# PRO_WIRING: None
# POWERSUPPLY: 580 Watts Power Supplies (Hiper Type-M SLI/Crossfire Ready 580 Watt Power Supply)
# RUSH: NONE
# SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
# SPEAKERS: NONE [-4]
# TEMP: NONE (AS SHOWN)
# TVRC: NONE
# USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
# USBHD: NONE
# UPS: None
# VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB 16X PCI Express Video Card (Major Brand Power by NVIDIA)
# VIDEO2: NONE
# WEBCAM: NONE
# WNC: NONE
# WAP: NONE


option 2 - sli setup

# BASE_PRICE: [+1020]
# CAS: NZXT Lexa Blackline Performance Mid Tower Steel 420W Case
# CASUPGRADE: NONE
# CS_FAN: Default Case Fan
# CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6750 CPU @ 2.66GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit
# CD: SONY DUAL FORMAT 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
# CD2: NONE
# CABLE: None
# FLOPPY: NONE
# FLASHMEDIA: None
# FAN: CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit + 2 EXTRA CASE FANS
# HDD: Single Hard Drive (400GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
# HDD2: NONE
# IEEE_CARD: NONE
# KEYBOARD: Logitech PS/2 Keyboard (Black)
# MOUSE: Logitech Optical PS2 Mouse (Black)
# MODEM: NONE
# MONITOR: 22" (21.6" Viewable) 5MS Wide TFT Active Matrix LCD Display Monitor
# MONITOR2: NONE
# MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core Supports) MSI P6N SLI-FV2 nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
# MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (OCZ Value Select or Major Brand)
# NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
# OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium (32-bit Edition)
# PPU: NONE
# PRO_WIRING: None
# POWERSUPPLY: 580 Watts Power Supplies (Hiper Type-M SLI/Crossfire Ready 580 Watt Power Supply)
# RUSH: NONE
# SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
# SPEAKERS: Creative Inspire T6100 5.1 Configuration Speakers System
# TEMP: NONE (AS SHOWN)
# TVRC: NONE
# USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
# USBHD: NONE
# UPS: None
# VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express Video Card
# VIDEO2: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express Video Card
# WEBCAM: NONE
# WNC: NONE

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:34 pm 
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I ordered similar to option 2 m8.


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I'm not sure i'd pick a gtx with the first setup, I suggest changing it to an
8800gt. Performance wise there's not much difference between the two,
plus you save like £150.

nice big tft aswell :D


as for sli, well I'm not convinced it's worth another gfx card for the little performance gain you're getting


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Ive not noticed the difference with having 2 cards on this one, it certainly wasnt worth the extra 170 considering the amount of problems it caused and the fact that nothing really runs it still, thats why i'm liking the first set up so much more, those cases look awesome though!

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A bit to 'in your face' for me, hehe

I see you've went for the 32bit vista, might be an idea to switch to 64bit
so you will be able to upgrade the ram to 4gb or more


oh and dont forget the freebie shirt :p


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Go for the 880GT and upgrade the processor to a E6850

I won't bring up the sli again ;)

*BASE_PRICE: [+821]
CAS: NZXT Zero Aluminum Full Tower 420W Case W/See-Through Smoked Acrylic (Black/Silver Color)
CASUPGRADE: NONE
CS_FAN: Default Case Fan
CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6850 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit [+51]
CD: SONY DUAL FORMAT 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
CD2: NONE
CABLE: None
FLASHMEDIA: None
FREEBIE_CU1: FREE! CyberPower Multi-Purpose Carrying Case
FREEBIE_CU2: FREE! Cyberpower Unleash The Power T-Shirt
FAN: CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit + 2 EXTRA CASE FANS
FLOPPY: NONE
HDD: Single Hard Drive (400GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
HDD2: NONE
IEEE_CARD: NONE
KEYBOARD: Logitech PS/2 Keyboard (Black)
MOUSE: Logitech Optical PS2 Mouse (Black)
MODEM: NONE
MONITOR: NONE
MONITOR2: NONE
MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core Supports) Asus P5K SE Intel P35 Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN,USB2.0,&7.1Audio
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (OCZ Value Select or Major Brand)
NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium (32-bit Edition)
PPU: NONE
PRO_WIRING: None
POWERSUPPLY: 580 Watts Power Supplies (Hiper Type-M SLI/Crossfire Ready 580 Watt Power Supply)
RUSH: NONE
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
SPEAKERS: NONE [-4]
TEMP: NONE (AS SHOWN)
TVRC: NONE
USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
USBHD: NONE
UPS: None
VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express Video Card [-141]
VIDEO2: NONE

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woot its ordered, getting:

Gamer Infinity 935 (NO MONITOR)
UK_INF935Z, www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/gamer_infinity_935/

* *BASE_PRICE: [+808]
* CAS: NZXT LEXA Tower 400W Case W/ Side-panel Window
* CASUPGRADE: NONE
* CS_FAN: Extra Case Cooling Fan [+2] (1 x Fan)
* CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6850 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit [+59]
* CD: SONY DUAL FORMAT 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (SILVER COLOR)
* CD2: NONE
* CABLE: None
* FLASHMEDIA: None
* FREEBIE_CU: FREE! CyberPower Multi-Purpose Carrying Case
* FAN: CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling System (Superior Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA)
* FLOPPY: NONE
* GIFTPACK: NONE
* HDD: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+12])
* HDD2: Gaming Hard Drive (10,000RPM SATA150) [+66] (SATA150 - Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM 8MB Cache WD740GD [+24])
* IEEE_CARD: NONE
* KEYBOARD: NONE [-4]
* MOUSE: NONE [-4]
* MODEM: NONE
* MONITOR: NONE
* MONITOR2: NONE
* MOTHERBOARD: (QX9650 Supports) Asus P5K SE Intel P35 Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN,USB2.0,&7.1Audio
* MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (OCZ Value Select or Major Brand)
* NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
* OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium (64-bit Edition [+9])
* PPU: NONE
* PRO_WIRING: Professional Wiring for All WIRINGs Inside The System Chasis with High Performance Thermal Compound on CPU [+11]
* POWERSUPPLY: 700 Watts Power Supplies [+34] (Tagan 700W Dual Engine SLI Ready Power Supply [+3])
* RUSH: NONE
* SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
* SPEAKERS: NONE
* TEMP: NONE (AS SHOWN)
* TVRC: NONE
* USB: Add External USB 2.0 Hub (4x USB 2.0 Ports) [+11] (SILVER COLOR)
* USBHD: NONE
* UPS: None
* VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express Video Card [-141]
* VIDEO2: NONE
* VIDEO3: NONE
* WEBCAM: NONE
* WNC: NONE
* WAP: NONE

very excited

should be with me in a week or so :D

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Got basically the same pc


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Bloody rich students. And there's me stuck with an AMD 3500+. Gonna have to sort this out. Grats though Banzai <grumble>

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Bloody rich students. And there's me stuck with an AMD 3500+. Gonna have to sort this out. Grats though Banzai <grumble>


Nothing wrong with the 3500+ m8. IR be having one of those, think it's in my watch :wink:

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New pc arrived yesterday, getting stuff installed and working out how to use Vista atm, loving the pc, thanks a lot for the recommendation Jase, really appreciate it mate, they did an amazing job on it, one of the tidiest builds I've seen.

I also ended up ordering the Samsung 226BW 22" monitor, got it from Overclockers' B-Grade section, saved about £50 just to get the monitor without any packaging or cables, spent £18 on some cables from the local pc shop and it works perfectly, would definately recommend it if anyone is looking for a bit of a bargain.

I ended up ordering the Logitech DiNovo keyboard too, I couldn't reisist the prettiness of it in the end. I thought I might well end up regretting spending so much on what is essentially just a keyboard, but it was worth the cash just for the moment when I opened the box and turned it on for the first time just to see all the LED displays come to life! It is an amazing thing though, the touch pad on it is amazingly accurate and easy to use and the other features are just as good. I'm not entirely sure if its worth the amount they charge for it, but when it comes down in price it would definately be worth getting if people are looking for some new peripherals.

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Nice one. I still can't stop staring lovingly at mine. It is teh geeksex :D


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Do cyberpower cancel your warranty if you have a nose around inside the case like some companies do?

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I didn't see any clause in the stuff they sent me to that effect, I didn't really read through it that thoroughly though, they had a load of packaging inside the case when it arrived so I assume not as you had to open it to remove all that crap before you could use it so you could just say you moved something doing that I suppose.

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thx m8

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